Robert McLaws: Windows Edition

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Vista and Office 2007 Search is not Dependent on SharePoint

I swear I'm not trying to pick on Joe lately. He's a great guy. I'm just not sure what the heck he's talking about here. He says that he tried reproducing the searches in the Launch demo when he got home, and he couldn't. He then draws the conclusion that advanced Vista searches require SharePoint (unless I'm reading it incorrectly).

The demo he is talking about (I presume) starts at 12:45 in the on-demand webcast. I re-created it, as close as I could, in this video:

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As you can see, the filtering is easily done. So what couldn't he reproduce? I don't know.

None of that invalidates his other arguments, though. WinFS is still sorely missed, and Search is not the silver bullet. But Search in Vista & Office is vastly improved over XP, and has saved my butt on more than one occasion.

I'll tell you what though, I learned a couple things from that webcast... which I wasn't expecting. I had honestly never tried filtering like that before... it was wicked cool. I also didn't know about some of the things Office was capable of. I love how, even after three years of testing, I discover new things about Vista. I hope that doesn't stop for a while.

At any rate, I just wanted to clear that up.

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  • Sam said:

    Reminds me of one of my Windows Vista (Beta) experiences:

    From Windows XP I am used to tweak a few settings after installing Windows, so the first time I installed Windows Vista I tweaked similar settings there. One of these 'performance tweaks' was to disable file indexing of my main drive, since it added nothing useful for me in XP.

    Guess what, search in Windows Vista does not work very well if this setting is disabled - still first I thought the Vista Beta was to blame, when in fact it was my tweaking.

    Maybe Joe has done something like this, just like me?

    December 1, 2006 8:30 AM
  • Neil said:

    Robert .... This is not the ONLY article where Joe has got it wrong.

    You have not seen his articles on microsoft watch, do yourself a favour and have a look, it will be an "eye opener" for you, I guarantee it !

    The ones to look for are plain to see, they are the ones with LOTS of comments on them, and what does that mean .... well you have look

    Since Mary Jo Foley left and went over to zdnet the standard of the articles at MS Watch has taken a "nose dive" !

    My favourite was "Vista ready, Not for Me" by Scot Peterson where an article was done on Vista RC1, too bad the date was November 1st ! And boy did he bag it !!

    Joe is following in the same vane, the way he does his articles you would have thought that he worked for MAC (OSX) or Linux, it was (and continues to be) that bad. Not to mention an article done on the same day by Jim Rapoza "Unimpessed by Windows Media Player 11" and the list goes on and on....

    Anyway don't take my word for it check out the site since November 1st (or earlier if you wish to be really thorough) and you will see what I mean, the above is NOT an isolated incident at all !

    December 3, 2006 8:02 PM
  • Joe Wilcox said:

    Hi, Robert,

    Good post and informative video.

    You wrote, "He then draws the conclusion that advanced Vista searches require SharePoint (unless I'm reading it incorrectly)." Please reread the post and followup one today (http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/business_applications/search_me_redux.html). You and I don't disagree.

    There is a "better together" story here. Office 2007 search is good but better with Windows Vista and better still with SharePoint Server. Office 2007 enterprise search capabilities are dependent on SharePoint. But that offers great benefit to users. I didn't put mention in either of my posts: Windows Desktop Search is part of Microsoft's solution for enterprise search from Windows. Of course, you know this.

    Thanks,

    Joe

    December 6, 2006 9:30 PM
  • Neil said:

    Robert

    If you believe this post by Joe Wilcox you will believe ANYTHING ! !

    If I were you I would read BOTH articles, and then make up your mind.

    Joe is trying to get of hell backwards with this lot.

    And it not just this particular story that is "inacurate/misleading" please check out the posts that have been done by Joe Wilcox and see for yourself that the subjects that he (and others) have done in the last month and a half are very much "Microsoft bashing" and are not in any way "even handed" at all !

    You should do a survey on the "Microsoft Watch" website and see for yourself what I am talking about, it will not take you that long to see the type of posts that are put there and that they are indeed not an un-biased assessment of what microsoft is doing.

    December 8, 2006 1:03 AM